I was clearly tired when I wrote this. I meant "hobbits and Men." I don't like the Elf wars in the Sil. It reminds me too much of those preteens (the gods) bickering on Mt. O, which alternately bored and astounded me. How could anyone _worship_ anyone so flawed and unworthy? I like the sadder, calmer Elves of LOTR-- sorry, JRR!